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Mohism -> Mozi -> Book 9 -> Anti-Fatalism II -> 3

The fatalists tell us:
"This doctrine has not been invented by us in a late generation.
Such a doctrine has appeared and been handed down since the Three Dynasties.
Why do you, sir, now oppose it?
(In answer,) Mozi asked:
Was it from the sages and good men of the Three Dynasties or from the wicked and the vicious of the Three Dynasties that the fatalistic doctrine came?
How can we find this out?
In the beginning secretaries and ministers
were careful in speech and intelligent in conduct.
They could persuade their ruler above
and instruct the people below.
1
Thus they obtained reward from their ruler
and applause from the people.
And the fame of those secretaries and ministers
has come down to the present day.
天下
The whole world remarks: "This is the result of endeavour."
2 And it will never say: "I see fate there."

1. 故上有以規諫其君長,下有以教順其百姓, : Deleted. 孫詒讓《墨子閒詁》
2. ,必不能曰我見命焉 : Moved here from entry 4.


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