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墨家 -> 墨子 -> 卷十二 -> 公孟 -> 14

子墨子謂程子曰：Mozi said to Chengzi:
「儒之道足以喪天下者，四政焉。 In the teaching of the Confucianists there are four principles sufficient to ruin the empire:
儒以天為不明， The Confucianists hold Heaven is unintelligent,
以鬼為不神， and the ghosts are inanimate.
天鬼不說， Heaven and spirits are displeased.
此足以喪天下。 This is sufficient to ruin the world.
又厚葬久喪， Again they (practise) elaborate funerals and extended mourning.
重為棺槨， They use several inner and outer coffins,
多為衣衾， and many pieces of shrouds.
送死若徙， The funeral procession looks like house-moving.
三年哭泣， Crying and weeping last three years.
扶後起，They cannot stand up without support
杖後行， and cannot walk without a cane.
耳無聞，Their ears cannot hear
目無見， and their eyes cannot see.
此足以喪天下。 This is sufficient to ruin the world.
又弦歌鼓舞，And they play the string instruments and dance
習為聲樂， and sing and practise songs and music.
此足以喪天下。 This is sufficient to ruin the empire.
又以命為有，And, finally, they suppose there is fate
貧富壽夭，and that poverty or wealth, old age or untimely death,
治亂安危有極矣，order or chaos, security or danger, are all predetermined
不可損益也， and cannot be altered.
為上者行之，Applying this belief, those in authority,
必不聽治矣；of course, will not attend to government
為下者行之，必不從事矣， and those below will not attend to work.
此足以喪天下。」Again, this is sufficient to ruin the world.
程子曰： Chengzi said:
「甚矣！先生之毀儒也。」"Sir, you are accusing the Confucianists of too much."
子墨子曰： Mozi said:
「儒固無此若四政者，If the Confucianists hold nothing like these four principles
而我言之，and yet I say they do
則是毀也。 then it is false accusation.
今儒固有此四政者，Now that the Confucianists do hold these four principles
而我言之， and I say so,
則非毀也， then it is not accusation,
告聞也。」 but information.
程子無辭而出。 Chengzi had nothing more to say and went out.
子墨子曰：「迷之！」Mozi called him back.
反，後坐，進復曰：After being seated he continued:
「鄉者先生之言有可聞者焉，"What you, sir, have just said is not without fault.
若先生之言，For according to what you have said,
則是不譽禹，there will be no praise of Yu
不毀桀紂也。」or blame of Jie and Zhou."
子墨子曰：Mozi replied:
「不然，Not at all.
夫應孰辭，稱議而為之，敏也。You are only cleverly criticizing me according to traditional notions.
厚攻則厚吾，When attack is heavy defence must be strong.
薄攻則薄吾。When attack is light defence must be light.
應孰辭而稱議，To criticize according to traditional notions
是猶荷轅而擊蛾也。」is similar to trying to kill a moth with a thill.

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