語言學議題 : Structural database of Chinese script?

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2010-11-08 17:36:17Structural database of Chinese script?
发言者：fingerpuppets (JENNIFER)	I am looking for a database of Chinese script that is as comprehensive as the Chinese Text project but is sortable through structure or components that are not necessarily radicals. Anyone know of this? If not, this is much needed. Some sites propose that you can draw the structure, and it will show up, but their lexicons are extremely limited. I'm also looking for a tutor in SF. My interest is in Chinese traditional characters—-the relationship of the meanings to the actual shape of the script. fingerpuppetsrock@gmail.com

2010-11-08 17:36:17Structural database of Chinese script?

发言者：fingerpuppets (JENNIFER)

I am looking for a database of Chinese script that is as comprehensive as the Chinese Text project but is sortable through structure or components that are not necessarily radicals. Anyone know of this? If not, this is much needed. Some sites propose that you can draw the structure, and it will show up, but their lexicons are extremely limited. I'm also looking for a tutor in SF. My interest is in Chinese traditional characters—-the relationship of the meanings to the actual shape of the script. fingerpuppetsrock@gmail.com

2010-11-10 11:21:30Structural database of Chinese script?
发言者：justsojazz	I have found the 『中文字谱：汉英字源字谱』--"Chinese Characters: A Genealogy and Dictionary" by Rick Harbaugh extremely useful and would heartily recommend it to anyone learning Chinese. The book can be found here: www.amazon.com/Chinese-Charact... The author has also provided an online version that is free to use at: www.zhongwen.com "Following traditional Chinese etymologies, each character is decomposed into smaller composite characters suggesting the character's meaning and/or pronunciation. Successive decomposition traces the over 4000 characters in this dictionary back to less than 200 pictographs and ideographs. This creation of new characters from simpler elements is depicted in a series of genealogical charts （字谱） which form the dictionary's organizing structure. Any character can be found by moving through these unique charts as long as the reader knows any part of the character or knows any character which shares the same part. The 字谱 method generalizes the "radical" （部首） system based loosely on the semantic components of characters, extending it to all components whether semantic or phonetic." (cited from the preface of the book) As for explanations of basic pictographs and ideographs, such as "why does the character 子 mean child, why does 马 show a horse, etc..." I found the following book to be a great help: Chinese Calligraphy: From Pictograph to Ideogram: The History of 214 Essential Chinese/Japanese Characters www.amazon.com/Chinese-Calligr... What does the term SF mean? I've never heard of it -- is it a form of Sinological study?

2010-11-10 11:21:30Structural database of Chinese script?

发言者：justsojazz

I have found the 『中文字谱：汉英字源字谱』--"Chinese Characters: A Genealogy and Dictionary" by Rick Harbaugh extremely useful and would heartily recommend it to anyone learning Chinese. The book can be found here:

www.amazon.com/Chinese-Charact...

The author has also provided an online version that is free to use at: www.zhongwen.com

"Following traditional Chinese etymologies, each character is decomposed into smaller composite characters suggesting the character's meaning and/or pronunciation. Successive decomposition traces the over 4000 characters in this dictionary back to less than 200 pictographs and ideographs. This creation of new characters from simpler elements is depicted in a series of genealogical charts （字谱） which form the dictionary's organizing structure. Any character can be found by moving through these unique charts as long as the reader knows any part of the character or knows any character which shares the same part. The 字谱 method generalizes the "radical" （部首） system based loosely on the semantic components of characters, extending it to all components whether semantic or phonetic."

(cited from the preface of the book)

As for explanations of basic pictographs and ideographs, such as "why does the character 子 mean child, why does 马 show a horse, etc..." I found the following book to be a great help:

Chinese Calligraphy: From Pictograph to Ideogram: The History of 214 Essential Chinese/Japanese Characters

www.amazon.com/Chinese-Calligr...

What does the term SF mean? I've never heard of it -- is it a form of Sinological study?

2010-12-17 18:28:07Structural database of Chinese script?
发言者：fingerpuppets (JENNIFER)	Thanks very much for your help. I just bought the first book you mentioned. I may buy the second, but the first is more useful to me right now. I also looked at that database and though it's very basic, I did find a character in the vein I'm looking for that I had not yet found, so that was very useful. Thanks a lot. I have a theory about language. I have a website: originofalphabet.com. I will soon load a chapter about Chinese. I believe that it is easier to learn Chinese than people realize if you use component parts as a guide. One also has to have the mindset of the time period when the language began. For example, in Chinese three trees is a forest, three men is a crowd, three women is adultery. We think differently now. But if we want to learn Chinese more quickly, we have to retain this attitude at least linguistically to help us remember the meanings of characters. SF is San Francisco. I forget that Chinese Text Project could draw people from everywhere. I have only started studying Chinese the last four-five months. Before that hieroglyphs. I'm a writer (you can find my two novels and one book on Digital Typography on Amazon.com) under Jennifer Ball. How long have you been studying Chinese or are you a native speaker? Thanks very much for the help, Jennifer

2010-12-17 18:28:07Structural database of Chinese script?

发言者：fingerpuppets (JENNIFER)

Thanks very much for your help. I just bought the first book you mentioned. I may buy the second, but the first is more useful to me right now. I also looked at that database and though it's very basic, I did find a character in the vein I'm looking for that I had not yet found, so that was very useful. Thanks a lot. I have a theory about language. I have a website: originofalphabet.com. I will soon load a chapter about Chinese. I believe that it is easier to learn Chinese than people realize if you use component parts as a guide. One also has to have the mindset of the time period when the language began. For example, in Chinese three trees is a forest, three men is a crowd, three women is adultery. We think differently now. But if we want to learn Chinese more quickly, we have to retain this attitude at least linguistically to help us remember the meanings of characters. SF is San Francisco. I forget that Chinese Text Project could draw people from everywhere. I have only started studying Chinese the last four-five months. Before that hieroglyphs. I'm a writer (you can find my two novels and one book on Digital Typography on Amazon.com) under Jennifer Ball. How long have you been studying Chinese or are you a native speaker? Thanks very much for the help,

Jennifer

2012-04-04 06:25:54Structural database of Chinese script?
发言者：olololo (-)	If you use Linux, you can use cjklib. In Ubuntu, you can install it from repository. Or you can download it here: cjklib.org/0.3/ Maybe it works under Windows too, but Windows command line is extremely limited. If you install cjklib from Ubuntu repository, you can just type this in a shell: cjknife -p 口土 And you will get all the characters that include 口土: 吐呿咥哇垕㖏㙂㙅唑唗唟㖫哩啀啈啩㖶㗌䞤亴喔喹堡臵超㙜䞦䞧䞩喱嗑塣趌㗧䞫嘊嘡塾台趗㙮䞳䞸嘢哓墪趟㘁㙱㙳㙵㯧儓噇噻趦㘆㸀兣嬯懛擡薹䠟嚜嚡台趫穯籉躁呓

2012-04-04 06:25:54Structural database of Chinese script?

发言者：olololo (-)

If you use Linux, you can use cjklib. In Ubuntu, you can install it from repository. Or you can download it here: cjklib.org/0.3/

Maybe it works under Windows too, but Windows command line is extremely limited.

If you install cjklib from Ubuntu repository, you can just type this in a shell:
cjknife -p 口土

And you will get all the characters that include 口土:
吐呿咥哇垕㖏㙂㙅唑唗唟㖫哩啀啈啩㖶㗌䞤亴喔喹堡臵超㙜䞦䞧䞩喱嗑塣趌㗧䞫嘊嘡塾台趗
㙮䞳䞸嘢哓墪趟㘁㙱㙳㙵㯧儓噇噻趦㘆㸀兣嬯懛擡薹䠟嚜嚡台趫穯籉躁呓

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