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公孟 - Gong Meng

English translation: W. P. Mei [?]
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14 公孟:
子墨子謂程子曰:「儒之道足以喪天下者,四政焉。儒以天為不明,以鬼為不神,天鬼不說,此足以喪天下。又厚葬久喪,重為棺槨,多為衣衾,送死若徙,三年哭泣,扶後起,杖後行,耳無聞,目無見,此足以喪天下。又弦歌鼓舞,習為聲樂,此足以喪天下。又以命為有,貧富壽夭,治亂安危有極矣,不可損益也,為上者行之,必不聽治矣;為下者行之,必不從事矣,此足以喪天下。」程子曰:「甚矣!先生之毀儒也。」子墨子曰:「儒固無此若四政者,而我言之,則是毀也。今儒固有此四政者,而我言之,則非毀也,告聞也。」程子無辭而出。子墨子曰:「迷之!」反,後坐,進復曰:「鄉者先生之言有可聞者焉,若先生之言,則是不譽禹,不毀桀紂也。」子墨子曰:「不然,夫應孰辭,稱議而為之,敏也。厚攻則厚吾,薄攻則薄吾。應孰辭而稱議,是猶荷轅而擊蛾也。」
Gong Meng:
Mozi said to Chengzi: In the teaching of the Confucianists there are four principles sufficient to ruin the empire: The Confucianists hold Heaven is unintelligent, and the ghosts are inanimate. Heaven and spirits are displeased. This is sufficient to ruin the world. Again they (practise) elaborate funerals and extended mourning. They use several inner and outer coffins, and many pieces of shrouds. The funeral procession looks like house-moving. Crying and weeping last three years. They cannot stand up without support and cannot walk without a cane. Their ears cannot hear and their eyes cannot see. This is sufficient to ruin the world. And they play the string instruments and dance and sing and practise songs and music. This is sufficient to ruin the empire. And, finally, they suppose there is fate and that poverty or wealth, old age or untimely death, order or chaos, security or danger, are all predetermined and cannot be altered. Applying this belief, those in authority, of course, will not attend to government and those below will not attend to work. Again, this is sufficient to ruin the world. Chengzi said: "Sir, you are accusing the Confucianists of too much." Mozi said: If the Confucianists hold nothing like these four principles and yet I say they do then it is false accusation. Now that the Confucianists do hold these four principles and I say so, then it is not accusation, but information. Chengzi had nothing more to say and went out. Mozi called him back. After being seated he continued: "What you, sir, have just said is not without fault. For according to what you have said, there will be no praise of Yu or blame of Jie and Zhou." Mozi replied: Not at all. You are only cleverly criticizing me according to traditional notions. When attack is heavy defence must be strong. When attack is light defence must be light. To criticize according to traditional notions is similar to trying to kill a moth with a thill.

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