Translations - Meaning of "取" in context http://ctext.org/ en http://ctext.org/discuss.pl?if=en&message=8978869&remap=gb
This may be inaccurate due to misunderstanding of "取" in context. The same character is used in #1 "... 咸其自取，怒者其谁邪". In that context, it is clear that "自取" means "self-selecting" or "self-determination" and "取" takes meaning of "selecting" or "determination".

Here (#3), "取" shall take the same meaning. Therefore, the whole sentence "非彼无我，非我无所取。" means "If there were not 'others', there should not be 'me'; If there was not 'me', there should not be any (self-)determination."

This interpretation fits the context better imo because: #1 sets up the question of "who is it that stirs it all up (i.e., existence of omnipresence/creator)"; #2 explores the idea of "此" (i.e., here/present) to interpret the creator with kind of a circular argument; #3 (with the new translation) then expands to theorize that "彼" ('others') as the creator who cannot be known fully (see "是亦近矣，而不知其所为使。")
]]> Mon, 30 Dec 2024 03:56:23 GMT http://ctext.org/discuss.pl?if=en&message=8978869&remap=gb